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New- Mitch Marcello and Matt Lake on Building Up & Supporting Traditional Church Models while Creatively Building Community Outside of it. (Listen)

Thinking Outside the Church: Episode 5 “Bridging the Gap”

“Discipleship is a long obedience in the same direction.” ~Eugene Peterson

Ben hosts the conversation with Mitch Marcello and Matt Lake, who are trainers and coaches with Fresh Expressions US. Matt and Mitch work together at First United Methodist Church in Williamsport, PA, where Matt is the Lead Pastor and Mitch is the Director of the Acts Network. They talk about their experiences of building up and supporting the more traditional church models while also creatively building community outside of the church. 

Listen here


Slow Church: Cultivating Community in the Patient Way of Jesus, by C. Christopher Smith and John Pattison, can be found on Amazon.

Organic Church: Growing Faith Where Life Happens, by Neil Cole, can be found on Amazon.

Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory, by Tod Bolsinger, can be found on Amazon.

Read Mitch’s Fresh Expressions blog: https://freshexpressionsus.org/author/mitch-marcello/

To learn more about Fresh Expressions, visit: https://freshexpressionsus.org/


Thinking Outside the Church is a new, limited series podcast by Ben & Katie Conrad, hosting conversations about the modern church culture and new ways of expressing Christian Community.

Each Monday, they’ll be dropping a new episode to help you in your Fresh Expressions journey.

Ben is a current student at Evangelical Theological Seminary and works at First United Methodist Church in their Acts Network ministry to develop Fresh Expressions communities in Williamsport, PA.

Katie works at First United Methodist Church as their Director of Technology. She loves sharing stories in meaningful ways to connect people.

They are excited because of the knowledge and advice shared by experienced leaders who know what’s going on in the church today, and how we can navigate this new world.

Thinking Outside the Church




Podcast Schedule: 

Episode 0 – “They’re Saying That About the Church?”
Episode 1 — “The Modern Reformation” with Chris Backert
Episode 2 — “Being a Church Leader Today” with J.R. Briggs
Episode 3 — “Blended Ecology (Both/And Church)” with Michael Beck.
Episode 4 — “What is Fresh Expressions?” with Shannon Kiser
Episode 5 —  “Bridging the Gap” with Mitch Marcello and Matt Lake


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